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There's no doubt in my mind that they have exploited the 'terrorist threat'.
What's that saying again? Problem > reaction > solution.
What's that saying again? Problem > reaction > solution.
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...and now 'the authorities' are making a song and dance that many criminals are using 'Skype' and similar Voip to make phone calls and publicising that they can't listen in (which of course means they can) so of course we are moving towards a change in the law there too. Not only that, they want to use trojans more widely to infiltrate computers so they have a backdoor into machines they can search online. Of course they can already do this, it's no secret.
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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090323...s-6323e80.html
MP's warn the police are too heavy handed and 'abuse' of anti-terror legislation applying it how they want to other situations. As you may have gathered, although I obviously support the police and the principle of law and order, I think there is an ever increasing amount of state snooping and erosion of peoples rights and liberties. It's nothing to do with any real intent to tackle terror or personal safety. It's about legalising and creating the tools to investigate individuals when they need to. The government are happy to leave the doors open to allow criminal gangs and undesirables into the country, allow people to be subject to crime and pro-actively put thieves and muggers on the street by releasing them from prisons. However this is about having the tools to deal with individuals who threaten the state, not the public in the street. The ability of the state to crush organised public unrest when it comes over issues such as terrorism, unemployment, global warming. Do they care about you the individual, no, the state and those who administer it must survive.
Sounds like I'm on a soap box and some tree hugging 'leftie', no, quite the opposite. Anyway, back to photography...
MP's warn the police are too heavy handed and 'abuse' of anti-terror legislation applying it how they want to other situations. As you may have gathered, although I obviously support the police and the principle of law and order, I think there is an ever increasing amount of state snooping and erosion of peoples rights and liberties. It's nothing to do with any real intent to tackle terror or personal safety. It's about legalising and creating the tools to investigate individuals when they need to. The government are happy to leave the doors open to allow criminal gangs and undesirables into the country, allow people to be subject to crime and pro-actively put thieves and muggers on the street by releasing them from prisons. However this is about having the tools to deal with individuals who threaten the state, not the public in the street. The ability of the state to crush organised public unrest when it comes over issues such as terrorism, unemployment, global warming. Do they care about you the individual, no, the state and those who administer it must survive.
Sounds like I'm on a soap box and some tree hugging 'leftie', no, quite the opposite. Anyway, back to photography...
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Just remember that pregnant women who want to go to the loo can use a policemans helmit in an emergency. Just thought you might like to know that .
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Just remember that pregnant women who want to go to the loo can use a policemans helmit in an emergency. Just thought you might like to know that .
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Originally Posted by BlackCloud
MP's warn the police are too heavy handed and 'abuse' of anti-terror legislation applying it how they want to other situations. As you may have gathered, although I obviously support the police and the principle of law and order, I think there is an ever increasing amount of state snooping and erosion of peoples rights and liberties. It's nothing to do with any real intent to tackle terror or personal safety. It's about legalising and creating the tools to investigate individuals when they need to. The government are happy to leave the doors open to allow criminal gangs and undesirables into the country, allow people to be subject to crime and pro-actively put thieves and muggers on the street by releasing them from prisons. However this is about having the tools to deal with individuals who threaten the state, not the public in the street. The ability of the state to crush organised public unrest when it comes over issues such as terrorism, unemployment, global warming. Do they care about you the individual, no, the state and those who administer it must survive. Sounds like I'm on a soap box and some tree hugging 'leftie', no, quite the opposite. Anyway, back to photography...
Sounds like I'm on a soap box and some tree hugging 'leftie', no, quite the opposite. Anyway, back to photography...What do they call it? Problem > reaction > solution, with the solution being planned all along as something they wanted, hence the problem was created and the reaction (from the public) anticipated. it may sound far-fetched but it wouldn't surprise me in the least!
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Zoundz *is glad she no longer lives in UK*
*shudder* it's all a bit too Big Brother...
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*shudder* it's all a bit too Big Brother...
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Yeah, I do understand the threat more than many people and understand exactly what we are up against but the government are fumbling around dancing to any tune. Interesting that a terrorist law to snoop on emails is being used to find out who vandalised that RBS's guys car and house...
Interesting that many organisations, not just those civil liberties types, are now warning on how much snooping power the police etc. have now got.
Interesting that many organisations, not just those civil liberties types, are now warning on how much snooping power the police etc. have now got.