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24-10-08, 11:26 PM
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Re: How good is Adobe software?

RAW for me for all of the positive reasons already outlined. JPEG has it's place - for posting to t'internet, or 'quick' saves where quality doesnt matter.

I have done a Military Photographers course and as a rule the military capture EVERYTHING in RAW & JPEG for quick reference copies.

Each job assignment is then saved in a job folder containing the original RAW files in a RAW folder and a JPEG folder and a Edit folder containing any edited images. Each image is also catalogued with the fog's name, date/time, Job reference number & the file refence number. This is then backed-up to CD and HDD.

To return to the original question - how good is Adobe Software? Assuming it is Abode CS3/Abode Bridge/ImageReady - personally, I dont think it is rivalled, as yet.


     
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25-10-08, 12:18 AM
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To return to the original question - how good is Adobe Software? Assuming it is Abode CS3/Abode Bridge/ImageReady - personally, I dont think it is rivalled, as yet.
It's not, as you know, it's no question, it's seen as an industry standard as are lossless formats by those who do it and rely on it for a living...
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25-10-08, 12:55 AM
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jpeg is a lossy format, that is what it is for to reduce file size.

The quality of a fine jpeg and a RAW file are very similar with very little difference and certainly no difference at normal magnification and print sizes.

Not all people use RAW who earn a living from photography, think you'll find a large proportion of togs use jpeg, particularly sports photographers.
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25-10-08, 01:21 AM
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It's horses for courses really. Only the individual can decide which is best for them.

Sports togs? What is their main market? Newspapers. One does not need a lot of quality to print an image in a newspaper so Jpg's are fine.

Try filling a double page magazine with a a jpg and you may find that is a different matter.

From my point of view I have to cater for the customer who requires 10 x 8 inch prints which jpeg could handle fine, to the customer who requires 20 x 16 inch print which a jpg will not do. Not to the standard I would expect to deliver to a customer.

Why do libraries such as Alamy advise to shoot in raw, develop in whatever program and then up res to a minimum of 48mb and then convert to jpg with a minimum quality of 10 which is minimal compression.

Try up ressing a jpeg image from a camera to 50mb and tell me there is no difference from a raw image upressed the same amount.

Don't get me wrong, I am not anti jpg but it must be recognised that in the compression information IS lost and can never be regained even if you convert that jpg to a tiff.

I paid a lot of money for my full frame 5D so why should I not strive to get ALL the information captured by that sensor rather than chuck some of it away?

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25-10-08, 01:54 AM
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I only tend to print up to A4 or just enjoy pics on screen so I tend to shoot 'best' Jpg.

There's no doubt RAW is best because it enables me to do more with the file but in the end the Raw file will still end up as a Jpg.

I look forward to the day I can come home with just 20 Raw images but I'm like most folk - I come home with 200 Jpgs which would take an age to evaluate if they were RAW.
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25-10-08, 09:19 AM
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Why would 'evaluating' RAW files take any longer then 'evaluating' a similar number of JPEG files? RAW files are ready for use in the same way JPEGS are directly from camera.

One thing that hasnt been mentioned thus far in this thread is that JPEGs lose data, and consequently, quality, each time they are edited and resaved - that is not the case with RAW.

Like Steve has said, it's horses for courses - me? I prefer to shoot and edit in RAW and output accordingly. If I were to advise a novice photographer I would always say shoot in RAW, and convert as necessary. Not only the better quality RAW (no pun intend) material, the novice could learn a huge amount about photography from histogram information and other RAW data information.

Using JPEG as an exclusive means with a modern DSLR is like owning a thoroughbred racehorse, yet riding a donkey to work.


     
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jpeg is a lossy format, that is what it is for to reduce file size.

The quality of a fine jpeg and a RAW file are very similar with very little difference and certainly no difference at normal magnification and print sizes.

Not all people use RAW who earn a living from photography, think you'll find a large proportion of togs use jpeg, particularly sports photographers.
...I was refering really to maintaining an utmost quality image but yes I know there are many exceptions and that jpg is far more convenient and suitable in many situations. Additionally there are reasons why a quality image would be desirable, has to be maintained but compressed and compromised to acceptable jpg, data transmission for example. I'm getting bored now...!
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25-10-08, 10:59 AM
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To say that you can't print from a jpeg upto 20x16 and achieve a quality print simply isn't true. I do it on a regular basis, I'm a member of a photographic society and enter competitions on with prints that have to be that size. My prints are of no lower quality that the other prints in the competitions that may or may not have been made from a RAW file.


As for an analogy of a dslr being a race horse, I'd liken the use of RAW to modifying your car. Adding a new exhaust, re-mapping and all the other tweaks and having them activated by a switch. With jpeg the switch is on with RAW the switch is off and your only getting the basic out of the car without the extra power.

Telling a beginner to shoot RAW is guaranteed to get them to put their dslr back in the box and get out the p&s again. Shooting in RAW requires a lot more work to end up with a finished image and one that you are happy with, having to do double processing on a pic before it starts to look right is going to do nothing other than frustrate and depress a beginner.
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25-10-08, 11:11 AM
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I think this debate could go on for awhile.

TBH I would of thought all pros would of shot in RAW what happens if they **** up, as they are only human, have the wrong settings etc. At least with RAW they would be able to salvage something, with JPEG they'd be f*****.

Of course, as a beginner I am talking out of my bum probablly.

Wasn't this thread about Photo shop?

Well, I love Photo shop !


     
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25-10-08, 11:18 AM
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If they are a pro they they shouldn't really be getting wrong, for sports with the frame rate and the write speed to the card RAW could cause a lot of shots to be missed when the camera hits its memory buffer.
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