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25-10-08, 11:27 AM
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Re: How good is Adobe software?

Everybody messes up, no matter how experienced, with RAW they are at least covering their backs.

A photojournalist could be covering a story, get told to hurry to somewhere else, and then starts snapping away, in the heat of the moment forgot to change the previous settings, but with RAW, hopefully something is salvaged.

Interesting about sports photographers. I am into Formula One, and I would of thought those huge prints you get, would of been shot in RAW.


     
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25-10-08, 11:33 AM
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Re: How good is Adobe software?

RAW isnt there to give a photographer more leway if they screw up. It only allows for a recovery from few stops either side of over or under exposed. RAW is there to allow for more sophosticated editing than what the camera allows.


     
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25-10-08, 11:37 AM
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A photojourno is likely to use jpg as well for the speed of getting the shot ready for use. It's not true that you can recover things a lot more with RAW files than jpg, both allow a degree of recovery for a pic that is over/under exposed.
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25-10-08, 11:39 AM
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Re: How good is Adobe software?

But surely if you do screw up the exposure when shooting at least if it is shot in RAW you may be able to save something, that if shot in JPEG would be useless.

I know RAW is for editing purposes to give you more scope, but I am surprised not all Pro's don't shoot in RAW.


     
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25-10-08, 11:44 AM
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A photojourno is likely to use jpg as well for the speed of getting the shot ready for use. It's not true that you can recover things a lot more with RAW files than jpg, both allow a degree of recovery for a pic that is over/under exposed.

Yes you can still mess with the exposure in a JPEG but you would loose detail and quality. FACT.

Digital photography is based on data. The more data you have in an image the better it is. FACT.

RAW contains more data than JPEG. FACT

To put things simply - RAW is digitals version of a Negative. Where as JPEG is the print.

I would like to know where you are getting your information from?????

You may find this helpful reading.
http://www.ronbigelow.com/articles/raw/raw.htm


     
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25-10-08, 12:01 PM
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The more data in the image the better the image. FALSE.

RAW does contain more data, data that is not required for the image. FACT.

RAW data is 12 bit linear and jpg is 8 bit non linear, meaning that the 2 have the same detail in shadow area's where this may matter. FACT.

A RAW file that you can view today, will not be viewable in 20 years when software is updated and the manufacturer has changed the encoding for the RAW files, some RAW files from a few years are not viewable unless you have old software. FACT.


In 20 years I'll still be able to see my jpg files. FACT.


Where do I get my information from, my professional sports 'tog mate and the internet, where I assume that you are getting your information from.


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25-10-08, 02:57 PM
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Re: How good is Adobe software?

With regards to RAW vs JPEG - yes raw does give you more leeway on editing. However I prefer to spend the least amount of time as possible on editing so shoot in Jpeg and let the camera do the work of getting me a good picture to begin with.

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What software are you talking of Azz? Convertion software?
Editing software - basically Nikon's version of lightroom/photoshop, CaptureNX.

When you open a RAW file in lightroom, you only get the base settings of the picture _not_ any camera settings applied to the photo, eg, saturation levels, sharpness etc. I'm not sure about the Canons, but the Nikon cameras have some really awesome in-camera picture controls so it's a big pain to lose that in lightroom. This is why many of the 'serious/pro' photographers who shoot in raw use CaptureNX and not lightroom.
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25-10-08, 03:01 PM
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Yep, Canon have great software with their cameras, thats all I use unless except for a basic suite on occasion. Includes stitching software etc..
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25-10-08, 04:14 PM
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Jeez is this still going... It's more anal than any Nikon vs. Canon or PC vs. Mac thread I have ever seen. There's a place for all the formats just like there are Rolls Royce or Bugatti but people still drive a Fords and would probably prefer to in some situations. Gets you there, does a good job but the Ford is not as technically perfect or as well built but you may argue to get the kids from school or the shopping it's more suitable and 'better'. I haven't seen anything that shows a jpg can equal a Raw for retaining detail but it may well be it looks more 'finished' and is perfectly suitable straight from cam. It may well be the differences in practical terms even on large prints are so slight they are barely noticeable. So guys and gals I reckon you should just go with what you are happy with or else opt for a pistols at dawn! (er no offence Dawn!) Will this discussion make the slightest difference to your photography...no, people like Steve, KK, me etc will still be shooting Raw tomorrow and thinking bog off Stanokella! Stanokella on the other hand will be thinking bog off you Raw freaks leave me alone I know what I am doing and I'm doing it better than you! (no offence intended to anyone! ) enjoy guys and gals!
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25-10-08, 04:26 PM
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Who'd have thought Blackcloud the voice of reason xxxxx

I agree this isn't going anywhere.

Shall we start a Nikon vs Canon debate BC?

I see no one ever says Olympus vs Canon or NIkon xxxx


     
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